Why is the Western media so Russophobe?

Discussion in 'The Media and Russia' started by Carlo, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. Reggie Kabaeva

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    What else are we to expect from a Lebedev owned rag? Collapsing economy? nerve's on edge?

    Nothing but hysterical nonsense.

    I'm also sick of hearing about the "mafia" owning & taking over everyone's business nonsense. It sounds like his Russian "friends" experience is based more on the writings of Luke Harding than any actual experience of living in Russia.
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  2. José Moreira

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    In an analysis of 37 best-selling first person shooters (FPS) from 2001 to 2013 Russia is the most frequent enemy:

    From the The Duck of Minerva:

    http://www.whiteoliphaunt.com/ducko...deo-games-and-international-interactions.html
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    I am the dreadful menace.
    The one whose will is done.
    The haunting chill upon your neck.
    I am the conundrum.

    I will summon armies.
    Of wind and rain and snow.
    I made the black cloud overhead.
    The ice, like glass below.

    Not you, nor any other.
    Can fathom what is nigh.
    I will tell you when to jump.
    And I’ll dictate how high.

    The ones that came before you.
    Stood strong and tall and brave.
    But I stole their dreams away.
    Those dreams could not be saved.
    But now you stand before me.
    Devoid of all dismay.
    Could it be? Just maybe.
    I’ll let you have your day.

    Thus spake “Vlad”, whose Olympics these are?

    Hardly a subliminal reference to he whom the West must hate.

    Directed by Tomasz Bagiński, Polish director and animator.

    And this comment to the You Tube clip comes from a certain “Durachyok”, which means “little fool” in Russian:

    "I think all the athletes should boycott Olympics in Sochi becouse it is the place of the сircassian genocide and because of human rights.
    Best wishes ещ british athletes at Pyeongchang 2018 Olympics. I think they’ll do their best in Democratic republic of Sought Korea but not in Intolerant ruSSia".

    Durachyok is clearly not a native English speaker. He regularly makes negative comments concerning Russia on You Tube clips. He is a Russian speaker, possibly a Ukrainian, and has used a Cyrillic keyboard to type out the above comment, inadvertently slipping back into Cyrillic from Latin, hence the “ещ” which spells out “to” on a Latin keyboard. He has difficulties pronouncing English, hence “south” must be pronounced by him as "sow-t", which has spelt as “sought”.

    Durachyok writes of “intolerant ruSSia” (Get it - "SS" as in Waffen-SS?), which suggests to me that he is a member of the “Boycott Sochi NOW!” homosexual fraternity.
  5. Drutten

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    I don't know where to put this, but I figured this to be a somewhat suitable thread. It's not so much about russophobia though, more like the subtle anti-Kremlin stuff we see all the time.

    So this is an article published by Swedish State Television (Sveriges Television, SVT), about the recent Oxfam report on economic inequality worldwide and the truly absurd relationships it produces:
    http://www.svt.se/nyheter/varlden/85-personer-rikare-an-den-fattigaste-halvan-av-jordens-befolkning

    So basically, it's about how the 85 richest people on the planet own more than 3.5 billion people in the lower part of the spectrum. As examples of these mega-rich, they put up Vladimir Putin alongside people such as IKEA tycoon Ingvar Kamprad and they clearly state that these are some of "the 85" that the report is referring to.

    Now, here's a briefing of the report in question:
    http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfa...apture-economic-inequality-200114-summ-en.pdf
    Russia is not even included in the report. However Sweden is and Sweden doesn't look very good.

    The SVT article provides a link to a The Guardian article:
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world
    Which does not mention Russia or Putin either.

    They also link to the full report:
    http://topincomes.g-mond.parisschoolofeconomics.eu/#Introduction:
    Again Russia is not part of it, nor does the report mention Putin or any other particular individual.

    I went over to Forbes for a quick glance at their usually up-to-date lists, and while several Russian opposition figures are in the richest top 100, Putin is nowhere to be found there either:
    http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/

    Now I know that people constantly debate Putins "net worth", that his assets are notoriously difficult to pin down, and that it is undoubtedly so that the man is very wealthy. But you see, he isn't mentioned anywhere in the material that SVT and TG referenced, nor has his assets been reliably measured by anybody else. It's mostly wild speculation, conjecture, oh-my-God-an-expensive-watch and generally bad maths, often it even takes on the tone of politically motivated slander. So this all strikes me as a bit odd.

    On the other hand, the assets of other wealthy Russian politicians have been reliably assessed and these people are featured prominently in lists such as Forbes' above. Filthy-rich non-Russians heavily involved with the Russian opposition show up there as well, and again, the assets that put them there have been confirmed. That's far more interesting and relevant, especially as the SVT article specifically highlights the dangers of people using their immense wealth in attempts to manipulate the political and economical systems for their own gain...

    EDIT: Added direct quote from article, just in case they remove or change it.
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    I'm so sick of hearing about Putin's fictional wealth which no one has seemingly been able to find or prove even exists.

    These fantasies about "Putin's wealth" should not be very difficult to prove since there would be stocks, assets, equities or SOMETHING. How can a "rumor" such as this continue to have traction based on absolutely nothing but hot air? Either he has assets which amount to the 40, 60, 80 billion or whatever sum these pundits claim or he doesn't. At this stage, we certainly should've seen something in the way of evidence by now after years of passing this off as fact. It's time for the people making these claims to put up or shut up. If Forbes, with all of their resources, have been unable to locate Putin's "wealth" (which seems to be every bit as elusive as Big Foot and The Loch Ness monster) then it probably doesn't exist - something the people who've been pushing the narrative could never bring themselves to admit since it's against their anti-Putin religion.

    This story would've died a quick death by now if we had real journalism left. How journalists continue to push this story as fact without actually seeking to verify the claims themselves is indicative of the sorry state of journalism.
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  7. Patrick Armstrong

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    Well, he does have a watch. The watch story appears to be the sole "fact" associated with the infinite wealth story.


    See this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tch-collection-worth-times-annual-salary.html

    (remarkable number of typos in the piece).
    The authors are perhaps unaware that there are lots of fancy-looking watches around
    http://www.perpetual-watch.com/

    to say nothing of credible imitations.

    http://www.watches-imitation.com/a-lange-sohne/tourbograph/mens-702-025-2.html


    (BTW -- any of you remember when Chernomyrdin was ranked by Forbes as fabulously wealthy? He was on their list for a year or two and then never again)
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    Here's a video of his watch collection. (Video!!!!???? -- where did that come from?)



    Commenter thinks some are fakes.
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    So this is their evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I really can't stop laughing my ass off here.

    It seems the bar is set pretty damn low when it comes to substantiating claims of Putin's wealth.
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    Swedish State Television is at it again. Last night they showed a "documentary" called "The Return of the Tsar" in which various conspiracy theories about Putins alleged "dictatorship" were presented. Oh, and apparently this "totalitarian despot" wants to become a new Tsar and reinstate a monarchist order of succession and so on. :) The people interviewed were the usual suspects, Western media has a soft spot for their fanciful imagination and blatant lies. Rarely, if ever, are they called out on it. It's a shame really, and it is also a shame that it seems to be impossible to find level-headed opposition in Russia.

    No, they're there alright, but they're just not as fun.

    At the end of the film the Swedish voice over said that next week, they'll be showing the infamous Riefenstahlism "Putins Games". And I literally facepalmed when the speaker went "...a subtropical resort by the Black Sea was going to be turned into a ski sports center."


    No.

    A subalpine ski sports center 40 km from the Black Sea up into the Caucasus, with its top facilities at 2300 meters ASL and known for decades as an excellent skiing area...

    ...was turned into a larger ski sports center...

    Capisce?

    As for the indoor arenas, well, they're indoor arenas. Hey, if that very same approach works elsewhere I'm sure it'll work just fine here as well. Being an ice hockey fan, I wonder if they've
    ever heard of the Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Dallas Stars, Phoenix Coyotes, Anaheim Ducks and the Los Angeles Kings? :)

    This is absolutely bizarre. When I took an interest in Russian affairs about a decade and a half ago, the medias were being harsh on them and I could definitely see why. Now all those key things they used to attack have seen immense improvements, in certain cases to a degree that almost defies belief. The tone hasn't changed at all though, in fact it appears that it's gotten worse, accompanied by the categorical denial of said improvements and the invention of new problems that bear little to no resemblance to reality. The only sense I can make out of this unproportional hate is that it's propaganda, plain and simple. According to what agenda, I don't know.

    When I first looked at it that way, it seemed to me an absurd thing to claim. I mean, we're supposed to be all free and just over here, we're right and they're wrong. The natural order of things. It took me ages before I came to accept that was indeed not always the case.

    In Sweden you can find many people on the outskirts of the opposition with similar ideas about the ruling cultural marxist Demokratur, a corrupt elite and its iron grip on the medias and so on. Here these people are regarded as nut jobs by media and politicians alike and are duly ignored, which further fuels their conviction that they're being oppressed by an undemocratic and corrupt system.

    There is also a larger opposition that has pretty decent popular support, that often calls the other seven ruling parties of the two blocks a big bunch of conspirators that set their political differences aside to engage in an unified fight against the sole opposition party in the parliament. Tactically blocking their say in various matters and such, just to strip them of all influence.

    This opposition also claims that pretty much the entire media sphere actively fights them and that they are subjected to a lot of political violence (actually, that latest thing is entirely true). But again, that's something that nobody gives a damn about, instead media has an affinity for downplaying everything they utter and instead point out what awful douchebags these opposition members actually are and so on.

    Yet when we go to Russia we find the most marginal little bunch of people, oftentimes far more fringy and oftentimes with views that would have them outright lynched here in Sweden, and we present them as glorious freedom fighters and so on. Just wow.

    As with everything else surrounding this topic, there isn't much of a bar at all it seems like. More of a little threshold that a crawling infant could skip over. Even if there was bar, they'd probably just limbo underneath it and then that would be regarded as a commendable achievement. Somehow. :D

    Oh well. Truth prevails. Maybe.
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    So, in a few weeks people are going to be seeing hours and hours of things going on in plenty of snow in this "subtropical" place full of slums with 30% of the construction disappeared into somebody's pocket and the rest crammed with two-toilet rooms and other absurdities.. I think that the anti-Russia mob is going to take a big hit to its credibility.

    BTW I heard this "sub tropical" stuff from a friend who doesn't pay much attention but does believe in becoming "informed" by reading the papers et al and thus had picked up the expression in the air. I was kinda fascinated because "sub tropical" actually has a meaning and Sochi is about 20 degrees north of the T of Cancer. Amazing -- just pump out the word -- never mind what anything means.
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    I think sub-tropical may be right in the climate sense:

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    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropics
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    Yes, after I did more research, I found the term is applicable according to a common definition of climate zones.
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    Yes, but very close to this small strip of subtropical climate there are high mountains where of course snow abound. So this argument that Sochi is not a proper place for winter Olympic games is not valid.
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    Sochi as a venue isn't much different climate-wise as when Turin hosted the games, but the Alps are a damned sight further from Turin city centre - and there was very little snow during the Turin Olympics, if I rightly remember - than is Yasnaya Polyana from Sochi.

    Of course, nobody ridiculed Turin as a winter olympic venue, because Turin isn't in the Evil Empire.
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    Western media being afraid of Russia?

    I'd say that they've been much more anti-Russian since they figured out that Russia isn't Socialist and leans right relative to their media points of view.

    Most Americans are really ignorant and many believe that Russia is a remnant of the Soviet Union still controlled by Communists, in part due to media portrayal.

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