THE GREENPEACE AFFAIR

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  1. AKarlin

    AKarlin Generalissimo Staff Member

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    Shawn Walker of the Guardian writes:

    Observations:

    (1) As on so many other occasions, Putin shows himself to be more liberal than ~60-70% of Russians. (The 60% is those Russians who think the piracy charges are appropriate).

    (2) Despite the presumption of "telephone justice" and "power vertical" in Russia, the prosecutors pretty much ignore Putin's opinions on the matter. (Unless he is playing a very roundabout game of public good cop - private bad cop).

    (3) I don't think this will become an international cause celebre like Magnitsky, Pussy Riot, and to a lesser extent, Navalny. Fact of the matter is a lot of people in the West consider Greenpeace to be a bunch of eco-nuts, and there is little doubt that their protest would have provoked a similarly harsh response in virtually any other country.
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    Reggie Kabaeva Office Registrar (13th class)

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    What I find comical is how the western media has been blabbing on about the activists being held in "remote" cold jails near the Arctic without pointing out that it's where they were CAUGHT. Where do they expect them to be held? If they had pulled this stunt on a US oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, they would likely be held in a Texas jail in Houston or Dallas not Washington D.C (or worst case scenario - they could've possibly wound up in Guantanamo Bay Cuba facing terrorism charges).
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    Carlo Ship Secretary (11th class)

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    Anyway, this isn't even true, they are in Murmansk, not a remote arctic post. It is a real city with more than 300,000 inhabitants and complete infrastructure. Westerners usually ignore that there are cities in Siberia and the Far North, not only military bases or gulags.
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    Reggie Kabaeva Office Registrar (13th class)

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    It figures. The articles I've read have painted a pretty bleak picture of their confinement and the conditions under which they're being kept.

    I do wish the press would stop exaggerating these things and actually try to find out if these stories are true. But Hey, it's Russia! it seems that they can customarily just getting away with writing the most blatant lies and not be challenged.
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    From what I understand based on Maritime Law what they Greenpeace did is considered piracy.
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    Kolokol Office Registrar (13th class)

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    Reggie Kabaeva Office Registrar (13th class)

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    Despite being a major diplomat row, this story has been given very little coverage in the western media. You can rest certain that if it were the reverse and a Dutch diplomat in Russia had been beaten in such a manner, the UK Independent, the Guardian, Yahoo News and all the other Russophobes would be all over it claiming that "Putin's thugs" were responsible and that he personally ordered it. And speaking of conspiracy theories.......

    Hell, they MIGHT insinuate that anyway and claim that it was a false flag assault staged by Putin himself!

    I really wouldn't put it beyond the pale of the Anglosphere to peddle garbage like this.
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    Robert Collegiate Registrar (14th class)

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    Saker on the Greenpeace events in the Arctic. He believes the activists are almost certainly sincere but are probably being used. Reckons Russia should release them but confiscate the ship

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/what-russia-should-do-in-response-to.html

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    Kolokol Office Registrar (13th class)

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    Did this happen on Putin's birthday?
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    Carlo Ship Secretary (11th class)

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    Yep, just like the murder of Politkovskaya.
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    Drutten Collegiate Secretary (10th class)

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    Thanks to KenM for digging this up. An earlier case that one could argue sets a legal precedent regarding Greenpeacers attacking oil rigs:

    Greenpeace Arctic oil protest ended by Danish navy
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jun/02/greenpeace-arctic-oil-protest-ended?intcmp=239

    Greenpeace head Kumi Naidoo arrested over oil rig protest
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jun/17/greenpeace-kumi-naidoo-arrest-oil-rig

    The Clash's Paul Simonon Arrested for Occupying Oil Rig With Greenpeace
    http://pitchfork.com/news/44634-the...rested-for-occupying-oil-rig-with-greenpeace/

    So, in June 2011 Greenpeace attempted to occupy an Arctic oil rig. Danish Navy commandos were sent in and the activists on site were arrested. Both they and the ones on the Greenpeace ship that supported the "operation" were faced with criminal charges and several of them spent weeks in jail. Some pretty hefty fines were supposed to be levied as well (not sure about how that was followed up though).

    Earlier, in 2010 they attempted something similar, but were forced to cease the occupation because they couldn't handle the Arctic weather:
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/sep/02/greenpeace-abandons-oil-rig
    They were rescued and subsequently arrested by Greenland police and charged with trespassing.

    Mentioned in the medias? Certainly. Followed by a massive international condemnation of Denmark? Certainly not...

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