The 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi

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  1. john smith

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    1) They won't attack the Olympics directly because that would involve foreign nationals/non-Russians being hurt which would force US and foreign assistance in finding out those responsible that Russian commentators thing Umarov and others are mindless jihadists and not strategic thinkers like in Bosnia and other conflicts to get US/Western intervention overtly on there behalf that they already do covertly to an extent.

    2) Like China the games itself will be reasonably problem free but will be shadowed by various protests from gay, Circassian and Chechen activists.

    3) No they will focus on the negative even if it is a relative success.

    4) That's a certainty.
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    Not "bad news", just "bad propaganda". Here in Argentina the press is all the time repeating these same stories, not surprising considering that this country has no correspondent in Russia and just runs re-prints from international media.
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    The Sochi Olympics were first conceived in 1989-1990 and it was endorsed by Gorbachev. At that point, it was suggested as a host of the 1998 Winter Games:

    From ""Official Report of the XVIII Olympic Winter Games : Vol. 1 : Planning and Support", Nagano OC
    http://library.la84.org/6oic/OfficialReports/1998/1998v1p1.pdf

    It didn't quite work out for obvious reasons, but the Russians were determined to keep on campaigning for it once things had stabilised.

    Later, in 1996, the Russian Federation under Boris Yeltsin again proposed Sochi as a host city for the 2002 Winter Games. Now the early 1990's political and economical turmoil had calmed down a wee bit and the Sochi campaign went a bit further than last time, reaching the long list.

    Here are some remains of that largely forgotten campaign:
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    Oh, and perhaps most importantly - the plans obviously included the skiing resort of Krasnaya Polyana, that Western media keeps referring to as a spot "personally chosen by Putin":
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    Sochi didn't make it to the shortlist however, possibly because things weren't quite stable enough in Russia at the time.

    Russia took a break from campaigning for Sochi over the next two Winter Games, but then submitted Sochi for a third time in 2006 (for the 2014 games). And in 2007 the IOC announced that they had won it, quite clearly indicating that the Russian Federation had been on the right track recently.

    So that's another nail in the coffin for another bunch of lies that accompany the whole "Putin's Games" narrative and the "who in their right mind would want to host the Winter Olympics in a subtropical city, clearly only a raving mad Putin!"...







    Now, onto another thing. The 2014 Russian Grand Prix in, yes - Sochi (which is incidentally one of the plethora of massive projects that has ramped up Sochi "Olympic" cost so much)

    This too is the final result of a 30 or so years long determined campaign (and marks the end of a 100 year hiatus, since the last Russian Grand Prix was held in 1914!)
    http://www.nevasport.ru/articles.php?id=15077

    ...And now, the circuit is nearly finished in the Sochi/Adler Olympic Park and is scheduled to host its first international races in October. And these won't be one time events, Sochi will host the Russian Formula One Grand Prix annually until 2020, and dozens of other recurring international racing events for decades to come.
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    I'm not surprised at all. Western media has gone into full Cold War overdrive, losing its grip on reality at an alarming pace and to boot it is really pissing off the ordinary Russians they profess "caring" so much about. That includes the LGBT community...

    It's ridiculous. It's disturbing. It's absolutely transparent.

    Here are some recent tweets by Alexeyev on the matter, for your enjoyment:
    You get the idea. But despite being arguably the most prolific and involved LGBT activist in Russia, Alexeyev has been largely disowned by Western pundits since he's uncomfortable to them (i.e. he's a Russian patriot and knows a thing or two about how to approach LGBT issues in Russia, which doesn't leave much room in his activism for various BS agendas emanating from the West).

    Instead, the West is trying to create something grand out of Pussy Riot that wasn't there to begin with (not by a long shot, and ordinary Russians are happy that the so-called punk band are out of the country and would very much prefer them to stay out).

    And of course, there's been some snuggling with Kasparov. But he's also enraged ordinary Russians due to his many idiotic remarks as of late.

    But who cares about what ordinary Russians think? No one!
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    The brilliant Yulia Lipnitskaya, winning gold for the Russian team yesterday:



    I hope this works, I installed a new addon to allow for embedded Rutube videos.
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    Some random bits from what's going on in and around Sochi:

    Russian skiing team showed good sportsmanship and helped out their German rivals when they suffered a tool breakdown, after Austrians and the Swiss refused:
    http://fansided.com/2014/02/09/sochi-olympics-russian-skiers-help-german-rivals/

    Sochi birthrate booming:
    http://www.interfax-russia.ru/South/special.asp?id=471720&sec=1723

    German athletes praising their accomodations:
    http://www.volksstimme.de/sport/oly...Athleten-voller-Lob-fuer-ihre-Unterkunft.html

    The Australians are wondering what the Americans are so cranky about:
    http://tenplay.com.au/sport/sochi-2014/articles/sochi-first-impressions

    The Lithuanians are wondering the same:
    http://www.delfi.lt/sportas/socis/l...-svarus-vanduo-ir-viskas-blizga.d?id=63948810

    Yeah...

    And here's a massive nighttime panorama over the Olympic Park:
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    And meanwhile in the Holland House in Sochi, Vladimir Vladimirovich dropped by for a pint of Heineken and to congratulate them on their speed skating excellence:
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    Blog by US skier. He thinks it's great. Lots of photos.
    noahhoffman.com/
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    But I have a question. Why is it called Sochi Olympics? There doesn't seem to be anything happening in Sochi itself. I'm curious.
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    This map of the administrative divisions explains it quite clearly:
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    All of it is Greater Sochi and it is divided into:
    1 - Central Sochi
    2 - Khostinskiy District
    3 - Lazarevskiy District
    4 - Adler District

    I've heard people call Sochi the "longest city in Europe", due to it being stretched out along the Black Sea coastline for some 140km/87 miles.

    As far as the Olympics go, both the Coastal Cluster and Krasnaya Polyana are in Adler District. The original Sochi Olympic plans did put several indoor venues in central Sochi City itself though (as can be seen in the old promotional material I posted above).

    I'm glad they didn't follow through with that, as it would have meant breaking up a rather pittoresque and historically interesting place with huge modern arenas.

    Adler District was a much better choice, where there was in fact heaps of largely undeveloped land and all of it much closer to the ideal Krasnaya Polyana access route (along the Mzymta river valley) and crucially - the airport.
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    Previously unpaid Olympic construction workers are now being fully compensated. The IOC says that the Russian authorities have been very helpful, determined and straightforward in the process of making sure that things are all right, all around.

    Basically, this tells us that the oft-reported bad treatment of site workers, withheld salaries etc was not in any way backed by "the government" or "Putin" or anything like that, as media would have us to believe. It was various low-level contractors that wanted to cheat, which is not exactly unheard of in the West either, not to mention that Russia is lightyears better than significant parts of Asia and the Middle East in this regard.

    As for the living conditions for some of the workers, I'm sure they were appalling in certain cases, and again - nobody's denying that. However, things weren't much different in the London Olympics. It's not in any way uncommon anywhere, nor is selective amnesia it seems...

    Also, the Russians have so far paid over 300 million dollars in compensations to those who had to move from the Olympic Park areas to make place for it all, and the Russian government has continued active talks with the Sochi Public Council (representing the citizens of Sochi) to make sure that everything is done correctly and as many people as possible are satisfied (granted, there is no way to satisfy all, but they're doing the responsible thing here and not much else can be said about it).

    How much of this do I expect to hear in our medias?

    - Zip.
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    This should be seen by all those who say Putin hates homossexuals. Will someone apart from RT report this?

    Anyway, see the comments to this video. Many with the typical nonsensical comparison how Putin is persecuting gays as Nazis persecuted Jews.
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    And meanwhile, the only homophobia in Sochi appears to be imported from overseas:
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    http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/12548-vnezapno.html
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    I found this pretty funny, regarding Nemtsovs clownery.

    Here is a KP article from 2007:
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/23928/69515/

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