Russian policeman beaten, his attacker released

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  1. AKarlin

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    Here is the story, below is the lowdown:
    • Officers go to arrest an 18 year old suspected of grievous assault (not clarified if sexual or physical) against a 15 year old girl.
    • His family are very angry about it and call him all sorts of names.
    • The women start attacking one of the officers, Anton Kudryashov... well, flail their arms at him, at any rate.
    • Meanwhile, a fat bloke rushes up to him from behind and starts pummeling him.
    • A minute later he's shown down with a dent clearly visible on his skull.
    • The guy is later RELEASED on bail, and used the intervening time to take his stuff from his market stall and "disappear." One of his women were arrested though. He is now on the Wanted list.
    I was idly wondering how a fat bloke with clearly zero martial arts training could do that (actually breaking a human skull is exceedingly difficult - you need to be both very strong and have specifically hardened fists. Otherwise, punching the skull is likely to be worse for your hand than the other guy's head. Well, it appears he had brass knuckles on, or something else hard in his hand. So that's not just "simple assault" but assault with intention to cause grievious bodily harm or even kill.

    But here's the ironic thing...

    In the US the policemen would have arrested and subdued the fat guy minutes before he swung his sucker punch at Anton. (He was aggressively cussing them out and pushing them well beforehand).

    Anton says that the reason he didn't retaliate against the women attacking him was because of "moral principles." In other words, he subscribes to idiot chivalry principles that whether their merits in ordinary life have no relevance to policework. Certainly a US policeman would have no truck with that nonsense.

    It is certain in the US that the criminal would have been violent (and correctly so!) subdued, and likewise certain he would not have gotten out on bail. And it is entirely possible that an American policeman would have fired his gun, either as a warning shot, or quite possibly for real. No big loss as far as those thugs are concerned.

    And American cops are supposed to be "nice" compared to Russian cops. Well, they are. Just not in the way that is stereotypically imagined. Being able and willing to protect non-criminals from criminals, and themselves as legitimate representatives of law and order, really is "nice" as far as I'm concerned. The opposite is weakness, incompetence, or some combination of both - as the "Hard Ingush" blogger argues.

    Or of course the explanation could be a lot darker. Say, if those thugs had a krysha, and the police didn't dare mess with them because of that.
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    Did the incident take place on or near to a market?

    Almost certainly a case of having a roof over one's head!
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    Here is another story, albeit with a happier ending.

    But it too illustrates a big problem. The police were unable to stop 4 unarmed bandits, while Army officers who were armed just sat and watched as the ments got beaten up.
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    And this bit of fun and games happened near the Tyoply Stan market and Prince Shopping Plaza on the 30th of June last month.

    There were various reasons given at the time in the press for the outbreak of violence. One of them was that a security guard had forbad a Chechen woman to park in a restricted area on the market, so she whistled up her clan enforcers. The above linked blog article, however, translates as follows:

    30.06.13 A massive fight involving the use of air guns took between guards (Russian) and casual labourers (Caucasians) working at the "Prince Plaza." The fight was filmed by passing motorists using dashboard video cameras and posted on the Internet (V Kontakte). Four were hospitalized. As proof of their innocence the Caucasians used air guns (the guards ought to have had army guns, but not a single shot was issued from such a weapon). In the "Prince Plaza" car park an old security guard was on duty. The guard was of an age that deserves the respect that is reserved for the elderly, which legendary respect should be inherent in persons of Caucasian nationality. Seeing a fight, the guard decided to step aside and not to interfere. But one of the young Caucasian workers noticed him and shot the old man in the back, even though legend has it that you only shoot someone in the Caucasus as an act of self defence. The guard had to go to hospital.

    The claims that angry Caucasians levelled at Russians consisted of the fact that Russian salaries are higher than theirs. But if I work as a kindergarten teacher and you are a Jewish entrepreneur and you earn more than me, does that give me the right to shoot you in the back? They're here with us and haven’t stayed put in their mother country. There’s no one there where they come from – the place is empty. From the miserable condition of their homeland they have “fled” here, where we have to feel sorry for them all and forgive all of them for their having empty lives. But whose fault is it that nothing remains in their lives, that their casual labourer’s pay is insufficient? There are amongst the Caucasian nationalities writers, scientists, and businessmen - people who have earned a place for themselves in the sun and live in their homeland - the Caucasus.

    Here's the video of the fracas that was posted on the web.
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    “This is not a normal situation” when one colleagues is getting beaten up and the rest are watching, said the president. “Are they such cowards, or what? It is possible, but highly unlikely. Rather, by their inaction, [the police] are paying off ‘30 pieces of silver’ they received from these vendors. This is clear to everyone, and everyone knows it.”

    This is what the president said yesterday as regards the assault of a police officer at a Moscow market the other day and reported by RT in
    "Putin accuses police of negligence, corruption ties with merchants following massive raid on Moscow markets".
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    I'm of a mixed mind to this.

    It is a pity, of course, that they used the actions of one scumbag to indiscriminately round up tons of people for the cameras and stuff them into overcrowded camps.

    On the other hand, it's well past time to finally rationalize the chaotic immigration system, and it is good that they took this opportunity to make progress on that front as well.

    Russia appears to be moving to an Australian-like points system for immigrants.

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